From sales account executive to certified professional coach, meet Marina Movsissian of Paris, France.
What if you have a successful six-figure career but still don’t feel fulfilled? That’s exactly what Marina Movsissian from Paris, France, experienced. In this episode, Marina shares her journey from a thriving marketing and sales career, including time with Google in Dublin and San Francisco, to starting her own coaching business, EmpowerMov. While juggling her full-time job, Marina began helping women in leadership through workshops, 1:1 coaching, and speaking events—work she now does full time.
Beyond her career flip, Marina reveals how dance has been a transformative part of her story, helping her build the creativity and confidence she brings to her work and life. Her story reminds us that even when a career seems picture-perfect, it’s okay to seek something deeper. Sometimes, your next chapter is quietly waiting for you—you just need the courage to say yes.
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that confidence to be able to say, yes, I love taking space and I'm going to take it even more. We can all shine, right? And me shining doesn't mean you cannot shine as well. We can all shine together. Welcome to the Career Flipper, a weekly podcast featuring career change stories from people all around the world in all kinds of industries.
If we talk about how they get from point A to point B and all the twists and turns in between, I'm your host and fellow career flipper, Jenny Dempsey. After many years working in customer service and experience leadership in the tech startup world, I got laid off and stumbled into furniture flipping, taking pieces headed for the trash and giving them a second chance. If you're into that sort of thing, follow me over on Instagram and TikTok, San Diego Furniture Flipper. I started this podcast though because I felt really weird and honestly,
really alone when I switch from tech into furniture restoration. But as I've been flipping my own career, I've discovered that I'm not the only one making big changes. So I figured why not talk to others and share their stories? We all can learn a lot from one another. So I hope these episodes give you a little actionable boost of inspiration for your own career path. Alright, question for you.
What if you had a successful six-figure career but still didn't feel fulfilled?
That's exactly what Marina Mulv-Sessian from Paris, France experienced. And in this episode, you'll hear her journey from a thriving marketing and sales career, including time with Google in Dublin and San Francisco, to starting her own coaching business, Empower Mulv. While juggling her full-time job, Marina began helping women in leadership through workshops, one-on-one coaching, and speaking events, work that she now does full-time.
Jenny Dempsey (01:55.72)
her career flip, Marina reveals how dance has been a transformative part of her story, helping her build the creativity and confidence she brings to work and life. Her story reminds us that even when a career seems picture-perfect, it's okay to seek something deeper. Sometimes your next chapter is quietly waiting for you. You just need the courage to say yes. Let's get into the episode now.
Hi Jenny, I'm doing well, how are you? doing so good. Thank you so much for being here with us on the Career Flipper. We've known each other through, or we met recently through this, it's kind like a global women's business community. And the level of support in that community is just, it's amazing. And I loved hearing about your story, your journey of how you kind of navigated the flips in your life. So I was like, I...
I got to have you on. So tell everyone a little bit about you, where you are in the world, and just what you're doing now. And then we'll dive into the flips. All right. So hi, everyone. My name is Marina Moff-Sicien. So I'm originally a Russian-Armenian. But I grew up in Paris, and that's where I live again now. Currently, I'm a certified professional coach, and I work with women mostly.
to help them develop their leadership, their confidence, and navigate their careers. But I also work with companies to make sure that they have a greater diversity in terms of gender, and that any woman there can thrive to the best of their abilities and ambitions. That's amazing work. That is necessary work. to hear how you found your way into that is going to be really exciting. So let's just dive into it, Marina.
Tell about how you got to this place, how you flipped there, slipped there, glided there, all the things. Let's get into it. Yeah. So, you know, when I was thinking about our topic of today, carrier flips, I actually realized I had many, many flips prior to the bigger one. So that was kind of interesting to think about. My background is that I had spent 13 years in marketing and sales.
Jenny Dempsey (04:20.566)
So I graduated from marketing and I was working at the same time, know, in France. And I believe you have something similar. We have those sandwich courses when you work and you study in that, you know, same area. So I've done that for five years in the marketing field. But then when I had my first job, I kind of moved to the sales role, you know, like straight out of school.
Basically. So I started doing a sales role and I felt like my ambitions and where I wanted to go with my career with the background I had in terms of schools in France was not going to help me get where I wanted to go. So I started looking at jobs in London originally and while looking to it, so I just, you know, like I resigned from my position.
not knowing where I will go next but I was 25 years old and I was thinking you know if anything I will always find something else is going to be okay and even like that half of people took me like a crazy person and they said you should probably not do that but that was kind of the best first decision ever since I ended up landing in Google working for Google in Dublin Ireland
So I started there in 2015, originally for a seven-month contract just replacing for a maternity leave. So it was a maternity cover. And it went so well that I ended up interviewing for a full-time role that opened and staying in Ireland for three years. you know, I had a new ambition. I wanted to make my way to San Francisco.
which was even further from home, right? Like from Paris, it's a really big mess. You see that pretty well. And I ended up after a year working on building my network since I had really nothing there, right? Like no one knew me, even if it was for an internal move, it was a really challenging move to make. So I worked over it for a period of a year.
Jenny Dempsey (06:45.888)
I also had a few coaching sessions to help me prepare for my transition. That's where I discovered coaching in my life. And so basically April 2018, I went to this workshop. I like to mention it because it will make sense later. And it was a workshop around how to self-promote at work. Understanding that women were less engaging
in self-promotion at work since we just didn't have those tools, right? So it was less frequent for women to do that. So I went to that workshop. I loved the workshop. It helped me understand a few things. I had a few coaching hours sessions. And then May 2018, I went to San Francisco for 10 days to pitch myself to managers. And that's how I landed my next role.
Three months later, I moved to San Francisco to start a new role in a global team there, still being a salesperson, basically, for really big accounts in Tech B2B. And as soon as I was a bit more settled, I got trained to become a facilitator for the workshops that I mentioned. So I started in 2019, facilitating workshops beside my core job as a salesperson.
I feel like it helped me see that I actually really enjoy talking to large audiences, facilitate content, know, like animate groups and basically the public speaking people hate, I love it, even if it's always true. Right. So I started facilitating those workshops 2019. I met many women through these workshops.
who shared the same patterns as I saw in me. know, kind of having a lot of talent, working super hard, thinking that our work is going to get the credit it deserves just by itself, but this never actually really happens, right? So that's planted a seed in my head. That summer 2019, I had the luck of having a really bad manager.
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she made me think about what kind of manager do I want to be? What kind of leadership do I want to embody myself? And alongside, I was also having this bigger reflection where I kind of hit a wall. felt, you know, like I was happy to work there. I was happy to have this life in California. It was really different from everything I knew. And I was growing so much. But I realized that
From 9 a.m. to 5 p.m. I wasn't happy. I felt empty. I felt like I really missed some sense of fulfillment. So, you know, I started having that thoughts, these thoughts, and thanks to that bad manager, I decided I was going to get trained as a coach.
in order to maybe have a hat of kind of a manager coach position. You know, when I was going to get a team, I was thinking I was going to be the best manager for them. I was really dreaming about helping individuals from my team to help them develop to the best selves that they could be in the directions that they wanted. Basically everything that my manager was not. So 2020.
I'm starting that training to become a certified professional coach. And you know, when you go to train for coaching, you get coached yourself a lot. Right. So I was coached for six months and that led me to really like transform who I was as a person. I talk about my personal revolution, which happened.
in 2020 in San Francisco. And so that made me fall completely in love with coaching. And then I thought, why would I just like, you know, kind of work so hard in order to get that managing position that I want to be in people development and just work to develop this small amount of people in my team. There's a few people on my team while
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I could actually bring the power of coaching to so many more women in the world and choose who I want to work with. I first, I must admit, like I left Google, I was thinking, okay, that sounds like a bit of a risky plan, right? I had a six figure income.
In San Francisco, California, I was pretty aware this was probably not going to happen anytime soon again. So I moved back to France, Paris, first taking a role. So keeping a business developer hat, but in the coaching field in France. So I could put a foot back in France first, but also in coaching in France.
And I thought, you know, I was going to work there and then maybe ask for a part-time role and then at some point move on to my next career. But it totally didn't go as planned, right? Plans are made to also not work out sometimes. But it's still nice to plan. I still believe it. So I ended up just staying seven months in that company.
I actually had an experience of, you know, I got pregnant, but this was an accident. And I had a miscarriage. so October 2021, when all that happened, that was kind of a weird gift in disguise, which made me think about where am I currently with my life and what do I really want?
That made me realize that I was not in a situation where I could have the family that I do want to create at that time. But I realized that I had a really deep desire that was dear to my heart and that was that project of launching my coaching company. So I went back to the startup. I asked them to cut my contract off.
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So I had just six months unemployment help from the government. That's it. That was it. Obviously I had some savings. You should always make sure you have an emergency plan and save for a few months. And then I just went full on. January 2022, I started full time building my coaching company.
I was trained as a coach, but I wasn't trained as an entrepreneur. So that opened a whole lot of new challenges, but I'm pretty happy that I took that decision. Wow. What a journey. All of the ups and downs. And I have so many questions for you, Marina, along the way. Like, first of all, thank you for sharing all of that in such detail and such honesty and transparency and
The things that really stood out for me is, you you had this open mind where you're like, I'm going to take these roles. I'm going to move to different places. And you clearly succeeded at those and you had this job stability. And I mean, you mentioned in San Francisco, you had this, you know, six figure role because you need that in California and, you know, but you felt in the nine to five, so empty and.
everything else outside that you were learning and growing, and then you'd go to work and you would feel this. And the thing that really stood out is you didn't necessarily take that leap immediately. You were able to kind of find the things on the side. So you started to kind of do that research and that learning and training for coaching on the side. And I think that's so important to mention because a lot of, a lot of people think
Well, I can't leave my full-time job. I can't do the things that I love. Well, what if there's time to do them on the side and, you know, or what if we make the time, even though it feels so overwhelming, what if we reevaluate a little bit and, and make time for them? And the fact that coaching came to you from such a personal place too, you know, you were coached and then you're like, I want to do this for more. And, and not just my team, like on a bigger scale and
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I just think all of these together, it's really inspiring to hear that you don't necessarily have to take the huge leap immediately. There could be the calculated risks that you do later on, but you can kind of dip your toes into it. And I was wondering if you can talk a little bit more about that experience of like juggling a full-time job and, you know, taking the training on the side, doing some of the coaching on the side and how that...
you know, what was that like for you in the day to day? How did you manage your time? How did you kind of do all the things and still have time to, you know, eat or exercise, you know, like, have fun? Like, because I think a lot people get caught up in like, I'm so busy at work. How do I even make time for these other things, you know? Yeah, those are really great questions. So I hope I
I do the best to answer everything. I want to mention first that, know, when I went into that coaching training, I had no idea I was going to do a career flip yet. Right. So I went into it with a totally different project originally. And I do believe that having mini experiments of trying kind of ourselves in other shoes and see how we feel. Right. Like I was.
I got into facilitation work prior to even going to coaching, right? So I, without knowing it, I started building my career for 2022 in 2019, if that makes any sense. To go back to your question now, when I went for the coaching course, I must say that I was kind of lucky because COVID hit at that time.
I started my coaching training, had the first weekend, we had three days module in person in San Francisco and right after that module, the world went on lockdown. So suddenly I was going to work from home full time.
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no time to go, you know, like you don't have any time to take the transportation to go to work, no commute time anymore, right? So that was taking some time off. And I found a way to manage my days with, you know, when you wake up, you do some of your workout if you need to get you good joys for the rest of the day. I know Californians like that very much. And then
I was working as efficiently as I could to make my job happy, if that made any sense. I do have a profound sense of professionalism. So it was really important to me to still be really good at my job, even though I didn't take any happiness out of it or fulfillment out of it. I felt, you know, like...
that it was important for me to still serve my clients to do the best of my abilities, especially at that time of real time across the world. So I was really far from all of my family and friends from Paris, right? For an unknown period of time at that time. So I think it kind of in a way, in a weird way, made me help to focus even more.
on what I was trying to achieve, which was my coaching certification. So I maximized my lunch breaks and then, you know, because I was efficient at work and even before that, I must mention I always, prior to being an entrepreneur at least, I always made an effort to have a good work-life balance. So I wouldn't be someone
originally who was working late hours, working weekends. I would just strictly do kind of my time but I will do it really well. But then when time is out of the office, I'm out of the office, I had my dance classes, my friends, blah blah blah. So during COVID, the social times were cut, the dance classes were cut, so I had that extra time to study as well. That helped me to manage my coaching certification.
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as long alongside my full-time role. And so it took me, you know, like about nine months, but I ended up having everything delivered on time. was studying on a good rhythm. So my pace was working out pretty well. And by the end of that year, I got my certification and then the world kind of slightly started also to awaken, awaken again.
the timing right there and the ability to have the extra time to focus on, okay, or really to be intentional, it sounds like you're really intentional about what was going to help you do your best work for the company. And I love that you mentioned this too, like even though you're not happy at the company, the level of professionalism at the end of it, it's still a job, it's still a business. And I think that's very important to call out that like,
you know, bad managers aside, like we still have a responsibility and the level of professionalism is important to do and to follow through on. then still making time for friends on dance. mean, can we talk about dance as well? Like the shows and the year you make time for this and you're clearly incredibly talented. Can you talk a little bit about how dance?
has kind of woven itself through your career path as well? Yeah, yeah. That's a good question, actually. I'm not sure I even thought about it too much before, but I started dancing when was 20 years old, and I had no self-confidence whatsoever. I was raised in a family where my dad is pretty strict, and you know, like he was telling me sometimes things like,
you want a dessert after dinner? Look at yourself in the mirror and let me know if you still want dessert. Right? So it was pretty hard as a child to build my self-esteem or self-confidence. So it didn't happen much. And then at 20 years old, first I have to mention also, I started to be in a romantic relationship where I started to feel like, I could actually get love.
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from outside of people who are in my family or my friends but I can experience also true love. So that was one thing and dancing happened at that time as well. I went to that dance class. The dance class was a beginner dance class but it was so hard I thought okay I want to make it work and I went again and again and again and the first year
I was kind of at the really back of the room, you wouldn't notice me much. The second year, maybe I was still a bit there but I started slowly getting a bit more okay with the idea of being noticed and taking space. The third year I took on another additional class. By the fourth year I was doing all of the dance classes of my teacher.
in that week so that meant 7 hours of dancing per week without the time when we had to rehearse for the shows at the end of the year. So it's true that I pretty early on had a relationship with work where work was just work. It's supposed to be what it is, you know, and so after work I had my dance engagements, I had my friends or
time to myself, right? So it was always important for my well-being to have that. Moving to Dublin, it started to be a bit more difficult because it took me some time to find a dance community again. I kind of found one, but it was a bit far from my house to go too often. So I had it a bit and, you know, I noticed that over the years,
It happened pretty often that I met really good friendships and friendships that I still have to this day through my dance classes. So it's a really important part of my identity. And then moving to San Francisco, the funny thing is day 4 in the city, I went to a dance class and it was a dance hall dance class. And prior to that, I was doing more like street jazz or commercial hip hop, but I never tried dance hall before.
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as properly as it was. And on that class, I fell in love with dancehall as well. I noticed that that dance was kind of making my heart really full and joyful. So that also became one of the big pillars in my life as an expatriate in San Francisco, is that I was going to dance classes every week, sometimes twice a week. And I met this amazing
this amazing teacher teacher we're still friends even though you know she lives in San Francisco and I'm back to Paris but she meant so much for me and her class was nearly a place of healing of therapy. I loved to say that dance is kind of a therapy and so obviously moving back to Paris I went back to my original dance community
So every year I still go on stage and I love performing. So difference is that by now I'm 34 and I know that I am passionate of dancing and that I love being on the stage and I have built, thanks to the coaching training actually, that confidence to be able to say, yes, I love taking space and I'm going to take it even more.
We can all shine, right? And me shining doesn't mean you cannot shine as well. We can all shine together. Just the power of dance and how it found its way into your life and was a part. It's almost like that golden thread that kind of lifted you up in times where you weren't sure. And it kind of continued to show you that, like, the more you do it, the more you will achieve and the better you'll feel. And then how that
parallels with the coaching and how it's helped heal you as well as others. And it's beautiful. That's amazing. And you know, it helps my current job too, right? Because thanks to dance and going on stage, you're practicing that idea of taking space, right? And so for someone who's now doing conferences and public speaking a lot, it was definitely useful as well. Yeah.
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I can absolutely see how that is so incredibly helpful and supportive. And you were able to show up and stand on the stage and own this space, take it up. Not, you know, I think a lot of women, and I will say men too sometimes feel this way of being too much, too loud, too out there, you know, or they're posting too much on social media. They're doing this and that. And it's like, well, there is always space for us to be doing the things.
and how you mentioned how you were raised and kind of told to like shrink. You know, I come from a similar background where all the women in my family were always on diets and eating dessert or just showing up and looking a certain way was completely inappropriate. And, you know, dare I say disgusting, like there was just a lot of things around that. So I was just always told like, don't be too much, don't be too big shrink.
being, you know, be the one in the corner and that, you know, how we show up at work, how we don't let our voice be heard because we think we just have to follow this path. hearing you talk about that and the work that you do in coaching to bring that out and you setting the example of doing it yourself, like your entire journey shows how equipped you are as a coach because you've done the work and you're continuing to do the work.
So can you talk a little bit about the coaching that you do and share kind of how, does that work in, you know, day to day? How are you helping people? Yeah. So first, and I love sharing your, you sharing your story, Jenny, I feel like we are putting too much shame on women and this has to stop. And so that's why really early on, before I even got certified in coaching,
I knew I wanted to be working with women. I'm pretty tired of the way everyone always thinks it's okay to tell a woman how they should be living their lives. And I do not accept that. So my work as a coach now is that I consider myself as my first client in a way. So as you said, I really feel like it's a priority for me to self-develop.
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because while I'm working on me, it's somehow a way to help anyone else working with me as well, even when we do not even work together, because I just embody so much the things that I'm trying to also share with my clients. So there are different ways. I work with private clients in a way.
So some people contact me, for example, I'm going to have a new actually American client, meaning she's based in America, but she's originally from Brazil. I noticed that I have a lot of multinational people working with me, probably because I am multinational myself. last year I kind of had like four French expatriates in Germany who all worked with me. think they.
all just shared my numbers. So that was really funny. And so this new person I was going to mention, you know, she came on my way. She is at this stage in her life where she understands that she's not taking happiness out of her role as I was in her spot four years ago. Right. And she just wants a change, but she doesn't know.
what type of change, maybe she even wants to move to a new place, right? that's... sometimes they have people who really are ready to kind of challenge everything, they are just kind of lost, right? They need to find support to help them take some steps back and understand where they are now and where they want to go next. If you do not have a clear view on where you are now, you can ask
Google Maps like the closest pizza area. If it doesn't know where you are, it cannot bring you there. It won't right help you find that proper itinerary. So you need to first figure out where you are. And that's what we are going to be doing together when we start working, is to help her find what's important for her, what she values in life, what are her talents.
Jenny Dempsey (32:32.172)
Where does she feel? When does she feel like she has true meaning in her life to try to bring that to maybe other areas in her life where meaning is less present currently? Right? So that's one thing. Sometimes. So I have a lot of people who are actually career flippers who want to become, make a career switch, but they are not sure in which direction. For example, I had a woman
she was pretty sure she wanted to become a coach herself as well, a certified professional coach. So she reached out to me to help her in that transition originally. But within three coaching sessions, I helped her understand that actually what her heart really desired was to become a home designer.
So that was not even originally the question, right? She didn't came for that, but that's what she took away from the coaching, right? So in coaching, it's always my client who drives the conversation. If you come to a coaching session, you will tell me what you want to work on. I'm a certified professional coach. I am not going to be the one deciding for you.
But I have the tools, I have some intuition and pretty good listening skills to help you find your own answers. And so that's what I'm doing with these people I work with. And I had a lot of experiences with people who wanted to change careers. So that's a topic that I'm noticing is really huge since COVID, I believe, made it even bigger. Yeah.
what you just said, like the questions that you're asking to help people figure it out for themselves. Like we already have the answers in. It's just sometimes we don't know. first of all, I also love the example of the Google Maps. Like if you don't know where you are, you kind of don't know how to get to that next spot. And sometimes when you feel so, so lost, it's like, I mean, when I got laid off, didn't, I had no, I was like, I don't even know where I am. I don't know what I'm doing.
Jenny Dempsey (34:49.035)
And I had zero clue that furniture flipping and hosting a podcast with anything on my to-do list. I had no clue. But once I started to kind of chip away at like, well, this is where I'm at and working with coaches, therapists, reading books, just like sobbing to friends, like whatever it was, getting this, working through this stuff, not realizing that I was.
really actually creating the foundation for the path in a direction that I wasn't sure that I was going to be going, but I was already creating that. so to hear how you're doing that work, like the woman that you mentioned who thought she wanted to be a coach, but she really wanted to be a home designer. Maybe she knew that, maybe deep down there it was there, but she was afraid because that is a lot of it.
What's right? Yeah, I just and I think I don't know if you get this question a lot but Now that I've started the podcast I I receive messages from from people who listen in and they will say like I wish I can find My thing I wish that I could find my you know, some people call it a calling some people call it a passion some people You know, whatever it's called Everyone defines that differently but like I wish I could find it and I I laugh and I'm like well
I didn't realize that I found mine literally in the trash. I mean, picking up furniture left on the curb. know, people are throwing away good pieces of furniture and that is where I found this path. I never saw that coming. And I think sometimes to have the patience and trust in our journeys that if we have that initial feeling of, I want to do something different, then just kind of like.
the patience and the trust to see how it unravels and looking at the breadcrumbs along the way, like, you know, with you and dance or the coaching and how you took that on as a very personal project and now you're doing it to help others. think when we stop and this is just me speaking from experience, I'm not an expert, I'm not a certified coach, just from my experience, but sharing that with you, like, do you hear that a lot of like, you know, I'm looking for this.
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thing, I want to find my thing, but I don't know what it is. And then if we just kind of like sit back a bit, sometimes we find it and it's right under our noses. Yeah. Yeah. I love everything that you're sharing and your experience, even if you're not a coach, we don't care, is so valuable, Thank you for sharing it. I feel there is a lot of value here for people.
And you know it reminds me of actually like kind of the big sentence my coaching school always says, trust the process. Sometimes it's just about planting a seed like an intention that I know I want a change, I know I need a change, I am not sure of what the change is going to be yet. Yes, it takes some patience, sometimes some efforts to you know...
try to discover more about yourself, do some introspection work. Actually, a lot of people, they start their career thinking that they should be doing that kind of work because maybe someone told them that's a good work to be doing, because maybe of family pressure, education, environment. And so I'm seeing that a lot, people who kind of just start somewhere and maybe starting
around 30 years old, sometimes before, sometimes later, they are realizing that maybe another life is possible for them, a life where they could be more fulfilled, they just do not know how to figure that out, which is normal. They never questioned that before. So let's also be patient with ourselves and be kind of like self, you know,
self-compassionate if I may say or have a lot of kindness towards ourselves to think like okay if I'm having this feeling it's probably important enough to give it some intention and attention and intention intention again intention being so important and so while we give some intention to that sometimes for some people it's it's getting pretty clear pretty fast and that's great for them
Jenny Dempsey (39:33.226)
And some people indeed kind of put a lot of pressure of like, what is my calling? What am I supposed to be doing with my life? I am not fully sure. Everyone needs to have just one. Maybe you will, you know, have a job for the next 10 years and you will be super happy about it. And maybe one day you'll wake up and you'll be like, OK, I'm kind of done being a therapist. Now I want to...
You know, send flowers to people, like sell flowers, you know. Life is so full of surprises and changes and we are as human beings, we are changing and evolving. I cannot promise to you that in 30 years old, I will still be doing the job I am doing now. I know I love it so much, but who knows what happens in life, right? So...
That can be one thing and then sometimes people do not find fulfillment at work and it is okay. For some people, work is just a work and they're happy to be doing whatever type of work they are doing and maybe to them finding happiness and fulfillment will come from having a family, will come from you know going and...
be a volunteer somewhere, have some voluntary work or being involved in a community. There are so many ways in finding how we enjoy spending our life. I think the true thing is listen to our own self. Our heart is a GPS, even better. And listen to other people is not always the best option.
But when we are lost, it's always also good to find ways to get out of our own heads. Sometimes we're spinning around and it's getting out to get out of there. So I believe working with a coach is always a good idea. This resonates so much of like work doesn't have to be where we find our joy. Work. It's totally okay to show up at work, do a great job, respect our teammates and close the computer at the end of the day and know it's just a paycheck.
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There's nothing wrong with that. And I think there's a lot of push. And I don't know if this is just in America or if this is everywhere, but to love everything you do, to love your work and to work is your passion. And, you know, I see this a lot on LinkedIn and, know, to each their own, like it's, it's great. And I have been in that boat where I thought I love everything about this, but I'm like, you know what? At some points it really was just a paycheck and there's nothing wrong with that. That's totally.
that's totally fine because the things outside of it, like you mentioned with dance or your friends, or I do a lot of hot yoga. I love my furniture flipping. I love hanging out with my dog and my friends. I love spending time with my boyfriend and going to concerts. There's so many things outside of it that bring us joy and that's perfectly acceptable as well. And we don't always have to flip. We don't always have to think there's just one thing.
We can do many, many things and it can be more than work because we are more than just our work. That shouldn't become another injunction. That shouldn't just be another something we have to do. And sometimes it's about periods, Like maybe you're in your period where you just like to enjoy life, your friends, your boyfriend, whoever, your dog, you know? And maybe you're...
in that time where you do not want to prioritize your work happiness and that's okay. And maybe in a year or two, you will be in a different spot in your life and you will be like, okay, now I want to change something around my work or not. And it's okay. Nobody has to be super happy at work, be so fulfilled having found her one true calling. you know, that's also, you know.
enjoy life and not be so hard with ourselves. Right. Yes. It really does come down to let's enjoy the time that we have and let's show up as our best selves, learn from our mistakes, support one another. Just fun. Just fun. Dance. Yeah, dance. I can't dance. I'm going to leave the dancing to you. No one wants to see me dance. will put that out there.
Jenny Dempsey (44:18.254)
But say, I'll sing, you can dance. we'll do that. Marina, this was such an incredible conversation. I want people to connect with you and really understand more about the services that you offer and just you as a wonderful human. Before I give you that space, I want to share one little dream that I had thought about. And I'd love to put this on our goal list, whether it's next year or the year after, but
I would love if at some point in the future we meet in Paris and we have a dessert together. would be so I mean, no when you come. Done! Now how can people connect with you? Where can they find you and learn more about you and the coaching that you offer? Yeah, so there are two ways. The first one is my website. You can go on EN, like for English, empower.
E-M-P-O-W-E-R M-O-V, empowermov.com. And then you'll find so many information. And also there is another place where I'm super active. I love listening, hearing what people have to post, mostly reading, I would say. And also post myself around leadership, career, so many things, entrepreneurship. It's on LinkedIn.
To find me on LinkedIn, you put Marina Mobsician. It's M-O-V-S-I-S-I-A-N. That's how I notice who my friends are. If you know how to spell my name, we're on a good spot. So Marina Mobsician, and I'm always happy to connect on LinkedIn. Thank you so much for making the time. I appreciate you. What a gift. Thank you so much. Thank you, Jenny. Thank you so much for having me.
Thanks for tuning in to this episode of The Career Flipper. Be sure to connect with Marina using the links in the show notes.
Jenny Dempsey (46:18.894)
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