Ever wondered what it’s like to go from customer service to becoming a licensed electrician in Spain? Join me as I chat with Jeff Watkin about his inspiring journey from California to Barcelona, where he traded in screen time for hands-on work.
Ever wondered what it’s like to go from customer service to becoming a licensed electrician in Spain? Join me as I chat with Jeff Watkin about his inspiring journey from California to Barcelona, where he traded in screen time for hands-on work. We dive into the challenges he faced, his motivation for making the leap, and how he worked through imposter syndrome and childhood trauma. We’ll also talk about staying true to your values, facing fears of failure, and finding real fulfillment by following your passion.
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Jenny Dempsey (00:00.088)
Somehow I learned that avoiding difficult things was better. So anything that got difficult, whether it was sports, music, just abandon it. Like the moment it gets too hard, just walk away. Adult life is like, okay, job gets hard, quit. Job hunting is hard, don't bother. I wanna learn a new career, too hard, it's uncomfortable. And these are a lot of things that I think
probably actually held me back from discovering things earlier because maybe there were nigglings of like, I want to try something with my hands. I want to learn something new. But then you see the path to it. It's like, woof, that's long path and I don't want to start at the bottom. Welcome to The Career Flipper, a weekly podcast featuring career change stories from people around the world in a bunch of different industries about how they get from point A to point B and all the twists and turns in between.
I'm your host, Jenny Dempsey, fellow career flipper. After more than a decade working in customer service and experience leadership in the tech startup world, as well as teaching to Udemy for business training courses and speaking at business conferences, I got myself laid off in 2022 from my stable corporate job. Despite my experience, I had over 400 job rejections and I just couldn't land anything new. I really started to question my worth.
What am I supposed to do now? Then a friend gave me an old junkie table. I saw potential. I binged YouTube, TikTok, and Instagram videos to learn how to fix it up and found joy in giving something unwanted a brand new chance at life, which really resonated me with getting laid off and kind of feeling unwanted myself. So...
And this led me to start my furniture makeover and restoration business, San Diego Furniture Flipper, where I rescue and restore good furniture to keep it out of the landfill. Alongside that, I host this show, speak at events, do customer service consulting, and offer one -on -one career change coaching. Despite all this wonderful stuff that was brewing, I was feeling alone and honestly kind of weird about my new path. I mean, who goes from the stable corporate tech world
Jenny Dempsey (02:17.422)
to cover it in paint and saw it us in the garage, unsure if they're gonna be able to sell their next piece on Facebook marketplace. So I reached out to a few people that I knew who've also flipped their careers and hearing their stories motivated me. And it made me realize it's okay to change direction at any point in life. I realized too that there are way more people out there who flipped their careers more than I'd ever imagined. And that's why I started this podcast in July, 2024.
It came to me in a dream earlier in the year to really have a way to share these incredible stories and offer support to anyone considering having already been through or currently going through a career flip of their own. So I hope each episode brings you something that you can take away and use in your own life. New episodes drop every Thursday and I've got bonus episodes sprinkled in on Tuesdays just like the one you're about to dive into. I like to call these special episodes cocoon episodes.
because they capture our guests right in the midst of their career metamorphosis. There's so much we can learn from their experiences. The highs, the lows, and everything in between to know that we're not alone. In today's episode, we talk to my friend, Jeff Walken, and hear about his career change as he just recently took his certification test. Born and raised in California, Jeff talks about how he worked in customer service over the years.
and is now applying to become a certified electrician in Barcelona, Spain, after moving there almost a decade ago. He goes into how he struggles with imposter syndrome, stays aligned with his values, and works through fears of failure and validation. So, let's get to talking to Jeff about pursuing your passion and embracing creativity and how this can all lead to some really good personal growth and making you feel really good inside. All right, let's get to the episode now.
Hey, Jess. Hi, Jenny. Hi. It is so great to have you here. Thank you for making the time. I know we are about eight hours apart, nine hours apart right now. Nine at this point. Yeah. You are in Spain and I am here in San Diego and gosh, we've known each other for almost a decade, which is super cool. And we've worked together, but also, you know, our friends. So
Jenny Dempsey (04:42.478)
having you on is really exciting just selfishly to see you and chat with you. Also, because you have a really unique career flip and I'm excited for you to share it. Well, it's great to be here. So let's just get into it, Jeff. Tell me, tell me about your career flip. Well, my, it's hard. It's hard to figure out how to start, but,
Most recently, guess we, and I, you and I met doing customer service for a company and that ended, it was fun. I enjoyed it. I took the job because it was something I knew how to do when I needed money, honestly. And that ended and it was a really sweet opportunity.
And it was impossible to find that kind of thing that offered part -time flexibility, good money, flexible hours. And I live in Spain, as you said, which also means I have different rights and I am allowed to work now, but also have different access to the labor market because customer service here is one super underpaid and it's not a high value for many in my opinion. it's also in like fluent Spanish, which
My Spanish is pretty good, anyway. so this is, my journey in the last few years has helped me to realize that really like working with my hands and whether that's like pouring cement or doing work at my house. One of the things I really started like to do was electricity. and it doesn't hurt my back as much because I don't have to live bags of cement and all this stuff. And so I went to school to get my
to learn electricity and hopefully get my license. I'm still waiting on results to be a licensed electrician in Spain. And so that's the most recent iteration of my flip. was just going to say really quick, the couple of things, like just for everyone listening, were born and raised in and then you moved to Spain. And I think that's important to note because, you know, Spanish, you are,
Jenny Dempsey (07:05.004)
You are so great. I've been out there, we've traveled and you do all the talking. And you took the course to become the electrician in Spanish and it was fully in Spanish. And it sounds like when you have your certification and you are ready to go, the majority of your work will also be in Spanish. that right? Yeah, in Spanish and English.
part of being here, it's been 12 years now, we have a large English speaking community, or we know a lot of English speakers that know a lot of English speakers. so that's part of it. Part of the attraction to do it is one, is with I think most blue collar, I say blue collar, I don't know if that's offensive or not, I did, when I was getting ready for my test, I went and bought a blue polo shirt with a blue collar. was like, I did it, I don't know. But the end, there's,
too few workers for these industries. So the backup is real. People are having trouble finding people and then finding people you trust and that do good work. My work remains to be seen, but I have a high work ethic. that won't, that's not a problem. And just from being here, sometimes being able to work in your mother tongue, like having someone be able to speak to you about something in English is really nice.
Yeah, it's intimidating. Or sometimes you're just too tired to think in Spanish and speak Spanish. And part of the reason I took the course was because I never studied electricity, so I didn't even know basic concepts, anything. I knew very little. I knew that wires went to places, you know. Right. It was so I could learn that vocabulary as well and add that. It was, yeah, it's been a challenge, but also super, super fun. Yeah.
And it sounds like you just knew that you needed to work with your hands. I remember when we were working together, it was that part -time flexibility and it was a unicorn job to say that. And you would be like, all right, I'm logging off for the day. I'm going to go out and garden or I'm going to go out and do this and build this. the reason that you took on that role, like you said,
Jenny Dempsey (09:31.022)
because it's a great opportunity, but also it really aligned with your values of what you wanted to do outside of sitting at the computer. And I think that's important to note that like sometimes those values are, you know, for people that are considering a flip or thinking about doing something different, but don't quite know, just looking at like, well, what are those things that you really value and what are you gravitating towards when you're logging off, you know? What would that look like for you?
It goes way back for me. Like many people suffered some family trauma at a young age and did my best to just get through it as a kid and keep my head down, follow the path that was set in front of me. That was going to university or getting a degree and then when, you know, the school I went to at two years, you had to pick a major. And so I asked my parents, I said, you know, for input, they said, do this. They said,
Why not social work? was like, okay, great social work. So I did social work and I got through it. And then I got out of school. I like, I don't want to do social work. That doesn't appeal to me. So I floated around for a year doing some odd stuff and then went to film school because someone said I was good at it. Cause I was always like editing film, editing little motion pictures. I don't know, just little, little stupid things and did some of that for a while and didn't love it.
But I tried to pursue it for a bit. then after a few years, I moved to LA. I worked in TV for a little bit. And about 10 months, I do not want this career. It's not working. It could have been a fine career, but didn't like LA. I mean, the prediction lifestyle wasn't for me. And I think for many people, it is good. I didn't thrive in it. So then moved away from LA, back to Northern California. And then...
I was just so stinking lost, like just floating and, needing to make money. So I took a temp job working for Apple when the iPhone came out. It was the first Christmas and so it was just telephone support. And from there ended up working for Apple, staying with the iPhone and iPad and all that stuff. And then working some crossover with engineers and stuff. remember, and somewhere in there we bought a house too. And I remember somewhere early on.
Jenny Dempsey (11:53.644)
As I was getting hired on, was like, this is a good career, but how am I going to do this for the rest of my life? Like, I hate this. Like every day, just thinking I cannot stand this. I don't want to get up in the morning. I don't want to do this. And you know, by the end of the day, it was fine. Like, you know, I had my work buddies and you know, it was whatever, but the zoom out of that is what in the world am I doing? And I lasted about three years. then.
It's like, gotta stop. My health was so poor. Some of that's blaming the job, some of it's lifestyle, some of that is the emotional trauma that I was still dealing with from being a kid. And the fact that I, many lessons I didn't learn young was agency of my own life. I didn't learn how to just, that I could make a choice and own it and do it. I just kind of followed what I was told to do. Cause like, was, my home was easier if I followed what I was told to do. I don't know, I wanna stay up until, some are my 30s. I was just,
following a script and then the last 10, 15 years have been a lot of like, okay, that's what was going on. So then we moved to Spain. mean, decided to move to Spain and worked really hard to get here. There's a lot of paperwork, a lot of hoops to jump through. Worked with a nonprofit for several years, which was, yeah, it was a little bit of everything. There were good times and bad times, but at the end of the day, was...
we really wanted to find a way to legitimize ourselves in Spain and stay. And part of that means, you know, working and yeah, finding work here and not, not, we were so with the nonprofit, we're so tied back to the U S all the time. So all of our trips had to, had to be that kind of work stuff. And, so then I started looking for work and found our last job, which just kind of fell in my lap, to be honest. And
and just comfortably rode that out. Well, and actually, sorry, sometime in the middle of the, before that, I want to say nine years ago, we moved out of the first apartment we found in Barcelona because we just wanted some more outdoor space. So we found this flat in a neighborhood outside of the historic center. And it was this attic apartment that had like a beautiful terrace overlooking the city. But
Jenny Dempsey (14:13.324)
The inside was terrible, so we had to leave it pretty quickly. then so we, I know, then we found another really cool flat where we met, the one that you came to first. Really sweet spot. But in the meantime, I got connected with a farmer that was selling, you know, they're doing like CSA box type things. And so we started buying from them and then I wanted to build a relationship with the guy and I was like, can I come and learn farming? Cause I'm kind of.
wanting to pursue that, like understand like where the food comes from and stuff. And so I think that's where like, for the first time, it felt like the path I was given as a kid for going to university and working behind a computer that working the nine to five kind of got broken for me, where I was like, I can work with my hands and feel really good. And even if it's a 12 hour day, I feel great afterwards. Yeah.
and starting to understand my relationship to the land and food and animals. It felt really good. And so then we, I kind of kept working with him for a bit and then we moved out of the city and started to try to pursue that of like, okay, what does living more rarely look like? So now we're outside of the city in a house, have a little bit of land farming. Well, farming for small farmers is almost impossible these days.
because the system set up against it. I've got my little garden, but then as looking for something more, realized that I don't want to work behind a computer most of the time. I love the skills I gained as a customer service person. And also I think naturally because of the trauma that I grew up, and I think this may be part of your story too. Part of living in a volatile environment is learning empathy and learning how to
calm down emotions and really listen to people. So while it's a skill, it's also kind of not a crutch, but it's like a coping mechanism, but I think it's worked out well. So all that insanity leads to here where kind of embarking on a new career where I don't really know what it holds at the moment or what it'll look like, but it's nice to have a skill that's needed and readily available.
Jenny Dempsey (16:39.63)
if anyone needs help. Yeah, that's thank you for sharing all that. I mean, I think we were kind of talking about before we press record on this episode is like, there's a lot that leads up to and I say in the air quotes a flip like and whatever means to anybody like there's a lot more that leads up to it from what went on in our childhood, how we responded to it to, you know,
what we chose, whether or not we went to school after, you know, high school and like moves we made and relationships we've had. And, you know, it, there's so many more things that lead up to this because we are so much bigger than just our careers and, you know, leaning into what we value and how we want to spend our time and where we want to be in the world. think that
I just think that it's so much more than just like, I'm going to change careers today. And that's great if that's how someone can do it. But I think most people, it's a longer journey, just as you've explained. And it's a lot of ups and downs and trying things and then backing out of like, no, this isn't good work, but you wouldn't have known had you not experienced that. And now you know what to look for.
And then kind of like turn into this new chapter. Cause you were like right on the edge of it. Like you are starting this, this new chapter, like right now, like this is happening. And you know, I, I'm curious like to hear of like, you know, in a, I'm just going to say just blue sky picture. And you may not have an answer for this because I'm just throwing a random one at you, but like blue sky picture of like, you know, a year from now.
how do you think you're going to feel with a year of, of this, like under your belt, you know, trying this, this new thing, how do you want to feel? Good question. I hope I'm feeling like I, I'm, I know this is a common theme, but the imposter syndrome, like I, even though I'm, done this, I don't feel good enough. You know, I feel like someone's like, yeah, come help me. like, are you sure you want me touching it? I've like, you know,
Jenny Dempsey (18:58.19)
This wasn't my background. It's not like most of the typical path was to people that have been working in this and then they, you know, they go get their license and all this. I'm getting my license before I have enough experience or before I have experience, what is enough experience? But, you know, I think you get what I'm saying. So I'm hoping in a year that I feel confident, like really confident.
in the situations I put into, obviously I hope there's still learning involved. Part of the thing I like about it is, problem solving aspect of it. So I hope I'm still learning, but also like feeling like, I got this, you know, and I know how to navigate the system and navigate and make my way around it more than I feel at the moment. Right now I feel like, you know, I like it a lot. I just feel a little anxious in a good way and trying to, but I, yeah, I hope in a year it just
feels good and I don't necessarily want it to be a full -time career. I wanna work when I wanna work. I guess that's the flexibility that we all want, right? And yeah, maybe sometimes it's full -time and other times it's not and I can work on my garden and there's life in the country ebbs and flows with what needs to be done. Like in the winter I have plenty of time to do other stuff. Summer is different, but yeah, I kinda want.
to feel that where I can pick stuff up, back off when I want to, but I'm kind of choosing for myself. Right. And enjoying myself and feeling good about it. Yeah. Yeah. That makes a lot of sense. I love that picture. And even where you're at now, sounds like with imposter syndrome and that self doubt and that, but still that wanting to help others, sounds like it's not
getting in your way, like imposter syndrome isn't stopping you. It's there and you're aware of it. But it, at least what I'm hearing you say is that it's not getting in your way. Does that, like, how do you kind of navigate that? Like it's there, but you're like, I'm still going to do it. I mean, I think, well, as a, one of the lessons I've learned with age is that if you do something, you feel less bad about not, you feel less bad.
Jenny Dempsey (21:23.022)
And what I mean by that is I used to anything uncomfortable when I was younger. And I mean, this is like as recently as like 10 years ago, I would just shove in a pile under the bed or whatever, you know, metaphorically. Yeah. Like get it as far until the last minute. Yeah. Until it becomes unsustainable to not do it anymore. Then we'll do it. Whether it's paying bills or chores or whatever, like
just put it off to the last minute because I just didn't, I don't know, was the discomfort. And a really simple lesson I've learned is like, just do it now. Like if it's on your mind, just do it. And it's far less uncomfortable, far more comfortable to do it that way. So I think that's helping me get through it is like, just do it. like, yeah, everybody starts somewhere. mean, there are levels to the.
Poster syndrome because one, I'm not from here, two, I've never done electricity. But then, you you get on the job and it's a lot of people from Central and South America, less that are actually from here, interestingly enough. And everybody started at nothing. End of the day, it's, you willing to work? Can you physically do it if someone shows you how to do it? Are you okay, like being humble and learning from us? If you do that, you're fine, you know?
Yeah. So I think that helps a little bit is just getting out there and doing it. And I don't think I've ever taken a single direction correctly on the first try because I just don't understand it. Yeah. Well, was like, give it to me again. Give it to me again. You know, and I don't want to be the one that asked for help, but like, it's just how it is. I don't know. So maybe part of it's just lowering my my pride, saying goodbye to the ego a little bit and
be willing to be a baby, you know, just learn it from people that are 20 years younger than me. But, you know, that's fine. Yeah. No, that's, I love that metaphor that you shared of like the stuff under the bed, like that. And then like kind of resetting, sounds like resetting your expectations in a way of like, you know, the stuff under there by like, well, that made sense. But now I expect to like that I'm going to do it.
Jenny Dempsey (23:47.566)
when it needs to be done. Cause I've learned what happens when it just sits there. And then also with this of like, you know, the expectations of like, I don't, I don't need to ask for help, but you know what? I'm going to adjust my expectations of it because it's okay to ask for help. It doesn't age a age aside. Like, you know, if someone 20 years younger is telling you, know, giving you help, like awesome. Like that's, that's great. And you're, know,
your ability to retain that and to continue to move forward doesn't depend on any like age at all. Like it kind of becomes that, but that comes with like you mentioned pride and ego and also just resetting expectations. I think pride and ego aside of like that is so present, but like our own expectations, I think for like you and I like with, you know, similar childhoods and I, I'm the people please are always, you know, doing those types of things like.
I don't have to always help everyone else. I can also get the help and that's totally okay. And that is definitely a lesson that I had to learn simply because it was tied so much to my, to who I was. So. Yeah. I don't know if it was like this for you, this is another huge part of my growth is that somehow I learned that avoiding difficult things was better. So anything that got difficult, whether was sports, music, just
abandon it. The moment it gets too hard, just walk away because maybe it was my family dynamics. just like, if you call attention to yourself at this, do really want what's coming? Do you want your parents to step in and quote unquote help you? Because that's not necessarily the best, the safest place. And then that translated to adult life is like, okay, job gets hard quit.
Job hunting is hard. Don't bother. I want to learn a new career. Too hard. It's uncomfortable. And these are a lot of things that I think probably actually held me back from discovering things earlier because maybe there were nigglings of like, I want to try something with my hands. I want to learn something new. But then you see the path to is like, woof, that's a, that's a long path. And I don't want to start at the bottom. So, and then it's uncomfortable.
Jenny Dempsey (26:11.608)
to not know what you're doing. there's a lot of that in there too, I think that's the part. Yeah, I don't know if you felt that as well. It resonates so much. think for me, it was in the matter of like, you know, if I were to try something new and I wasn't good at it right away, the kind of rejection or the comments of like, you suck type of things come into play. And that was a very real.
Thing that happens so it's like I try something new even as a young child wouldn't be good at it right away because sometimes We're not all you know amazing at everything the first time we try it But like the feedback that I would get was like, you suck or you know, wasn't like keep practicing You're gonna you know wasn't this support nurturing it was like you suck you you know the rejection and as the people pleaser who was Busy taking who learned from a very young age to take care of everyone else's feelings
If they're telling me I suck, means that that is a negative experience for them. And I don't want to cause that in their life. So I would just stop. So it of became more of like, I would stop because it wasn't good enough and it wasn't pleasing them. And that definitely moved on throughout my life. And it was just like, if I think, you you mentioned something of like, this is what made you so good at customer service, these types of things. it's
I agree. think it's why I've excelled in my career in customer service because I got so good at taking care of other people and just kind of like, I'm not good at that. That's okay. I don't need to be good at that. I don't want that to get in the way of your life. to the point of like sometimes like, I don't know, just, I will not even do things that I love or I didn't. Like, I feel like I've worked really hard through these things or had, you know, lot more support in my world over the last, know,
several years and that helped so much, like just want to do certain things because I was like, I don't want to get in their way. I don't want to bother them annoying. was a word I heard so much as a job. man. You suck. You're so annoying. And it's like, well then I'm not going to do this. Sorry, sorry, sorry. Yeah. Yeah. I think my manifested a little like, there was a little like, like a real fear of failure. and a fear of not being perfect at it.
Jenny Dempsey (28:32.01)
And because my parents were good musicians and I'm not a bad musician, but I don't touch music anymore. Like, I mean, love listening to music and singing when I get on my guitar. like it. But there's a lot of that tied into my creative endeavors, which I still want to write a book. I've got like half one written, but it's part of, but it's part of that, that fear that there's like, maybe they won't like it. Maybe it won't be accepted. I'm probably not any good at it.
And especially when it comes down to creativity for me, that one's still, need to unpack that. I've set my creative side apart because it's just too hard sometimes, I think. I hear that. I hear that completely. the creative side versus work and how much time we give to that and how that either lights us up or how it triggers other things, it sounds like.
I've always been creative, like music, like we've talked about music before, I loved playing, saying, but I'm, you know, I'm not necessarily a professional at it. I've never had formal training. I just loved it. I'd record things. I'd play gigs, you know, this and that, but I definitely pushed it aside because I always was like, well, I'm not good at it. Like, or, or maybe I had someone in my, you know, early adult life that was like, gosh, like you sound good, but you're really annoying. Stop singing that same thing over and over. And I'm like, but I got to practice it. No, it's a no.
So I would just kind of like stop. But when I got laid off and was like, who am I without work and having to figure that out and not being able to find a job, but then like finding a piece of trash on the side of the road, I was like, I have time to give to this creative side. And now that I have done that for the last almost two years now, I feel like I can't give it up again. Like I'm like kind of picture sometimes like,
this sounds so cheesy, like hugging my younger self who was like afraid to dive into these creative endeavors because of being annoying to someone else. And now I'm like, I mean, I'm not perfect at furniture flipping. There's definitely things I'm still learning that not, you know, I'm not certified. Who am I? I haven't been a furniture restorer. When I looked up my, you know, competition in my area, it was mostly older men who have been doing this for like, you know, 30, 40 years. And I'm like, hi.
Jenny Dempsey (30:57.186)
I'm Fran new and I am I watch YouTube videos, you know, yeah, or Instagram thing. So it's just like it comes this time where it's like I can't not do it now. And despite knowing that I'm not perfect at it, I may not be pleasing everybody. Something happened when I got laid off and I just don't care. I'm going to do a really damn good job at what I can do and I'm going to enjoy every second and learn new things.
but just something clicks. like, know, when we work together, like I'm all customer service guru, go, go, go. like, and now I'm like, yeah, no thanks. Like I love, there's certain aspects that I still love and enjoy, like that are more creative and teaching and you know, coaching and you know, experience wise, but I couldn't go back to sitting at a computer for eight to 10 hours a day doing this. Now that I have given my time to this and my mind just shifted, I,
I just can't not do it. you feel like it's filling the creative spot within you or do you still feel like, or is it opening other avenues of creativity or both? Both of the, mean, yeah, it's definitely filling this void that I feel like was not given much time when I was, you know, working full time. And I totally could have made the time for it, but I didn't, I chose not to. then.
It is definitely opening up new things. Like some mornings I get new ideas. I'm just like, I dreamed about this. Like, I mean, this podcast, the dream itself, like, which is so wacky to say, I never thought I would be that person. Like I dreamed of this and here we are. But like it literally was a fricking dream. The, the name, the subject matter, like everything, like it's bonkers. And I think it just unlocked a part of my, I don't know, my soul that is like, now I can actually like,
I can dream again, which is so silly. Like as a kid, I was a big dreamer. I don't know if you were too. Yeah, For sure. Big imagination. Yeah. And it got shut down hard. Yeah. But, man. But I mean, I feel like the things that we've really talked about today, it just goes to show that there's more to a career flip than just the career flip. And I really appreciate you, Jeff, like getting vulnerable, sharing.
Jenny Dempsey (33:21.804)
these things and just unpacking it together and this space to do it. So if people want to chat with you more though, if people have questions or they want to hear about your experience, maybe someone else listening is thinking about becoming an electrician or taking on something new and maybe they're also living in another country, whatever it might be. How can people connect with you? I'm always doing my best to disappear at this point.
on Facebook for now. And you can catch me on Instagram at countrylivingcatalunya. Yeah. Thank you. Thanks for having me. It's been fun to chat and catch up with you. Definitely has. Thank you, Jeff. Yeah. Thanks Jenny. Thanks for tuning in to this bonus episode of The Career Flipper.
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