Bathroom tile sales to personal brand & marketing manager, meet Joseph Rudd in London, England.
In this episode, host Jenny Dempsey chats with Joseph Rudd, who went from selling bathroom fixtures in London to managing personal brands in the marketing world. His journey is a real-deal look at what it takes to flip your career when everything feels uncertain.
After the pandemic threw his career plans off course, Joseph didn’t wait for someone to give him a shot, he created his own opportunities. He started building experience from scratch, leaned into the world of personal branding, and learned how to stand out by being, well...himself.
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Joseph’s story is a reminder that it’s never too late to start something new, and you don’t need a fancy title or perfect plan to begin. You just have to start.
✨ If you’ve ever thought, “Who’s going to take me seriously?”, this one’s for you.
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Joseph 00:00:00 You can't change the decisions you've made in the past, and so you can only try to improve the future. And I think if anybody ever finds themselves in that position of thinking, oh, I wish I did this sooner, like, you know, you're just going to waste time and work yourself downwards thinking that way.
Jenny 00:00:18 Hey friends, welcome to the Career Flipper podcast. I'm Jenny Dempsey, your host, a furniture flipper and someone who's fully experienced the what the heck am I doing with my life spiral that comes with a career change. This show actually started during one of those exact spirals I got laid off from my job and the customer experience tech startup world applied to hundreds of new jobs and heard nothing but rejections. So I did what any logical person would do. I picked up some junk furniture off the street and taught myself how to flip it in my garage, covered in paint, sanding through my feelings and just figuring it out as I went. By the way, you can check out my furniture flips over at San Diego Furniture Flipper on Instagram and TikTok.
Jenny 00:01:04 Okay, but in between scrubbing grime and crying into my wood filler, I kept wondering, how do other people get through this? Like the real stuff? The messy, non-linear? Am I totally nuts stuff? So I started asking and what I found were stories full of courage, self-doubt, resilience and hope. The kind that reminds you that starting over doesn't have to be glamorous to be good. Now, every week on this podcast, I talk to regular, everyday people who've totally flipped their careers. Some jumped, some got pushed, but all of them figured out how to create something new, something more aligned, more joyful for them. New episodes drop every week, so make sure to follow or subscribe on your favorite podcast app. And if something hits you right in the gut, in a good way, I hope. Leave a review and tell me about it. All right, let's get into today's episode. Today I'm chatting with Joseph Rudd, who joins us from London. Joseph's story is a great example of why it's okay to start before you feel ready.
Jenny 00:02:09 He went from working in bathroom tile sales to becoming a personal brand manager in the marketing world. And his journey? Well, it was not linear. He shares how the pandemic threw a wrench in his career plans, how rejection pushed him to create his own experience, and why building a personal brand even before you feel qualified can make all the difference. We also talk about the power of networking, self-exploration, and just having good people in your corner who believe in you even when you totally don't believe in yourself yet. So if you've ever felt behind, uncertain, or like you're just throwing spaghetti at the wall hoping something sticks. This one's for you.
Joseph 00:02:52 Hello. Thank you for having me.
Jenny 00:02:53 This is awesome. You know, you reached out to me after listening to some episodes and I was just like, wait, what? This is so cool. So it is really awesome to have you here knowing that you've been listening, and also that you have your own story to share, and I'm so excited to hear it.
Jenny 00:03:11 So, Joseph, tell everybody about you, where you're from, where you are in the world and what you're doing these days before we get into the career flip.
Joseph 00:03:21 Okay. Yeah. No, that sounds good. so my name is Joshua Fraud. and, I am based just outside of London. at the moment, it's called Redding in England. And, I am a personal brand manager for a guy called Ben Haskins. And I'm the brand manager for a, management training company, called Benchmark Management. The two are tied together. and I've been doing that working with Ben and Benchmark for around about a year now. and together we're, we're we're trying to, I mean, the official mission is that we're trying to set a new standard for work in life. And so we're really just trying to talk about, management and HR and stuff like that, but in a very positive light and trying to, encourage people to do those things in the right way.
Jenny 00:04:13 And it sounds like really important work, especially with how everyone is kind of thinking about their career path and making decisions these days.
Jenny 00:04:21 But you were doing things before you landed in this place. Joseph. So what was your career flip or flips? Tell the story.
Joseph 00:04:31 Yeah, yeah. So it's flips, really. so, we'll we'll go back quite a long way. and when I left school, I really had absolutely no idea what I wanted to do with myself. and I was trying a whole bunch of different things. try my hand at mechanics. I'd try my behind it. ship writing and a few different things, but I ended up working in bathroom and tile sales. which is a job that I enjoyed. It wasn't a bad job by any means. and it was a job that I turned out to be pretty good at. After a bit of practice and, some, some training, I did okay at it. I had a couple of promotions, and I did that for 4 or 5 years, I guess, until I got to a point where I just sort of figured out that it wasn't for me, it wasn't fulfilling me.
Joseph 00:05:27 even though on paper everything was looking good and I was getting the promotions and I was earning respectable money for myself at the time, I wasn't getting any real joy or excitement. I was going to work, and so I had no idea what to do next. I was looking around at alternative options, but I didn't get very good grades at school, and so any options that I wanted to do would mean going back to education first. And so that's what I did. I am 21, 22 years old. I took a step down from the position that I was in in bathroom sales. I went back to college, which here is sort of a predecessor to to university and what you would call college to get the qualifications I needed to get into university. Okay. And then I went into university, and studied marketing. and I studied marketing full time at university for sort of three years whilst still working full time, because at this point I was an adult. I was, you know, I had bills to pay.
Joseph 00:06:26 I had real things going on in my life. And so I was trying to balance that, that want to better my career and to get further in life whilst trying to deal with the real struggles of the now. As anybody who's ever tried to, you know, do those two things at the same time, it's not easy. trying to work and trying to study and just have any other life outside of that. Yeah. and so I guess that's sort of the first, the first half of my career, if you like, the, from, from leaving school until 20 or so.
Jenny 00:06:58 While you mentioned that. So a couple of things are popping up in my head because you had been doing the bathroom tile sales and you were clearly very good at it, and you felt like it for a while. It was a good fit and then it wasn't. What was that shift for you? What was that about where you realized this isn't fitting in my life? Was it more of you making your own shift as you're kind of like growing up and navigating the world? Or is it more of like the job change? Because I know a lot of career flippers will feel this, but sometimes we don't know if we can trust that feeling.
Jenny 00:07:33 So can you talk a little bit more about that?
Joseph 00:07:36 Of course. Yeah. so for me, I think it's it's probably quite a backwards thing. that triggered me to realize it was time to leave, and that's, I was offered a promotion. I was. Somebody came to me and offered me another promotion. I was at the time I'd gone from, you know, a sales rep to a senior sales rep and then an assistant manager, and then somebody offered me to be a manager, or that they'd put me onto a fast track to become a manager. And it was at that point, that I realised I didn't want to be in that career. when I got into it, I got into it purely out of necessity. and then I stayed there for a while because I made some friends, and I seem to be pretty good at it, but it was never the the long term goal. And so so it wasn't until somebody turns around to me and sort of offered me what looked like a very long term, committed position, that would probably shape the rest of my career that I realised, actually, it's time for me to leave.
Jenny 00:08:42 Yeah, now that makes sense. And that is such a good point that you bring up, because all of us will just take on these random jobs sometimes, just like you said. You gotta pay the bills. We have to figure it out. But then when we get offered this opportunity for it to be even more, sometimes that is the easier route to take. It's like handed to us. Sure, we can settle. We can do it. Maybe it's not what we really want and it is so easy to do that. But you didn't do that. You took the other path. Like this could be easy. And on paper it looks great. But you're like, nah, there's more. And so at that point, you decided to really pile on all the work and go to college or go back to college. And so you're you're there, you're studying, you're working as well to pay the bills. And why did you choose marketing? I am curious about that. How did you land on that? How did you know that that is what you wanted to learn?
Joseph 00:09:33 Marketing was, it was kind of a trending thing, I guess, at the time.
Joseph 00:09:37 Like, like, say I had to go back to, to college here to, to get into university for me. Like the, the fast track back into college. I did like a split course where I studied several business disciplines. over the course of one year. and so I, I studied accounting, I studied, business law, marketing and economics, sort of all wrapped up into a one year condensed package. and it was it was during that phase that I kind of fell in love with marketing. And at the same time, I think we were really going through, like, the social media boom, everybody was raging about, you know, social media, marketing agencies and stuff like that. And I think I probably got caught up a little bit in the trend of it all. To be honest, the timing was just good for me.
Jenny 00:10:27 Yeah. Now that makes sense. That makes sense. And so you're studying that. You're learning it. And then what happens next?
Joseph 00:10:34 I'm trying to get experience along the way.
Joseph 00:10:37 but again you know, working studying not really finding much time for anything else. Start getting into my third year of studies, and which again, here would be the final year to pick up my bachelor's degree and then start thinking about moving into a full time position, hopefully in my in my new future dream career. and that was about the time that the Covid hit. and so, you know, last final year of studies and we'll, we'll get locked in, job opportunities start disappearing. we're finishing up our studies from home rather than going into, university and stuff like that. And so it was a pretty crazy time, to be honest.
Jenny 00:11:16 Yeah, that changes a lot.
Joseph 00:11:20 Yeah. Yeah, exactly. which obviously, you know, in the grand scheme of things, I didn't have it that bad. Lots of people suffered much worse than I did from from the pandemic and stuff like that. but I think from a, from a career's perspective and from a trying to navigate your life perspective as, as it did, many people would be completely threw me off when things started looking a little normal again after the pandemic.
Joseph 00:11:43 It was kind of back to business as usual, even though I picked up my degree. I had no real experience in the industry that I wanted to go into. And as it turns out, most companies aren't that interested in degrees. They're not that interested in paper. If you don't have the skills and experience to go along with them. which they don't really tell you when they're selling you the, the dream of going to university and getting the degree. Yeah.
Jenny 00:12:07 Right.
Joseph 00:12:08 Right. So, you know, back to business as normal. Like I say, back to selling bathrooms, working full time. and really just trying to figure out what to do next. now that I've got this expensive piece of paper, and the world is starting to look somewhat normal again. It was a real case of, like, how do I crack into this, this job that I've been working towards for the past three years. And, and I went through a real long period, or felt long. Anyway, I think probably 9 or 10 months of just applying for jobs and getting absolutely nowhere.
Joseph 00:12:45 putting out, you know, well over 100, well thought out, planned job applications, and and just getting, you know, I think I had maybe 2 or 3 interviews, back from, from that and, you know, you'd get into the interviews and, and it really just felt like a tick box exercise where they were just, you know, filling out numbers and stuff like that. And so that period was really difficult. And, and for me, I just, I was really confused and I was really considering going back into bar from, sales. And another opportunity was coming up to, to become a branch manager, which was that opportunity that forced me out of it in the first place. only this time it was looking a lot more appealing. And so I didn't really know, you know, what the right decision to do there would be. But I kept at it, and, I kept applying. And then the thing for me. That really helped transition and change the game in terms of landing the job was I decided that if nobody was going to give me experience, I would make my own.
Joseph 00:13:55 and I think this is a piece of advice that I'd give to everybody, that I ever speak to about careers now. and that's, you know, everybody I spoke to, they wanted me to have website development skills or video editing skills or whatever it might be, and they wanted to see my portfolio. And so I decided that I would build a website, for a, you know, a non-existent company. and I would build out some social media pages for the non-existent company. and I treated it like a hobby, almost like a game. Like in my evenings, I would spend my spare time marketing this business that didn't even exist. And using that as best I could to create some sort of portfolio. and then not long after doing that, I landed my first job. which, again, is why I completely you know, I love the idea of creating your own experience.
Jenny 00:14:52 Yes. Oh my gosh, yes. That is so important. And that says a lot about you as a person.
Jenny 00:14:58 Like you had all these rejections coming in. You are getting the few interviews that you can and being told, yeah, you don't have this experience. Check the box. Cool. Moving on. And that is an incredibly like I've been there and it's an incredibly like hard time. Like it can pull on your soul in ways where you're questioning your own self-worth. At least I was. It brings up self-doubt. It just brings up a lot. It's it's a lot of, energy to do that over and over. But you didn't let that hold you back. And you thought, well, I am going to create this experience myself. And you did. And that's that really resonates with me. I had several rejection. Well, at this point, I guess it was 403 rejections from jobs. And I was like, if they're not going to hire me, I'm going to hire myself. I actually said something very similar. and I did. I just started my own businesses and was like, I'm just going to make it work.
Jenny 00:15:53 And so I think, though, you have to reach and maybe and correct me if I'm wrong, but you have to reach this point where you are in a really low place in order to start to feel this momentum, to just create it yourself. Maybe that's just me. But I think sometimes those really low points where things are not working out the way you thought they would, teach us how to just create it ourselves. And so you're diving in, you're creating the website and the social media, and then you land the job. And so what was it like putting in your notice for the bathroom sales at that point? And you're like, peace out. Like, what was that moment like for you when you you actually had this happen?
Joseph 00:16:39 Yeah. I mean, it was incredible. I could I was kind of in a a state of disbelief, I guess, because for a long time, like I say, I was just so used to just getting pounded with these rejections that I genuinely started to think that maybe, like, this just wasn't for me.
Joseph 00:16:54 Maybe I wasn't cut out for it. and then, you know, this was like a last ditch attempt. I was like, fine, you know, I'm gonna make my own experience. I'll put in the job applications. and then at least I know I've done everything I can do to make this happen. Yeah. and so when I finally got the job offer, it coincided with, as I said earlier, like, the me being offered a management position again. and it was quite an urgent management position. And I remember the time I was, on the phone to corporate about this bathroom sales management position pretty much every day where they were trying to lock me in for the promotion, and I was saying, okay, just give me 24 hours to think about it, give me 24 hours to think about it. And it was at that point that I got the offered the marketing job and I was like, okay, cool, perfect. now I'm done.
Jenny 00:17:47 It sounds like it was a big relief.
Jenny 00:17:49 Timing wise, it just worked out in the right way. Like time was ticking there. It sounds like.
Joseph 00:17:55 Yeah, yeah, no, really felt like it. It really felt like it. And then of course, everything changes from from there. Like once you get into your industry, I think starts all over again. You're, you're learning from scratch, you're meeting new people, building out new connections and things like that. and that was fantastic, to be honest. You know, it was a real breath of fresh air. And I was quite fortunate in the thing that I thought I wanted to do turned out to be something that I actually really enjoyed doing.
Jenny 00:18:21 So you're in it now, and there's no looking back on what you were doing before. That really got you to the place where you're at now, and that's pretty amazing. You created this path, you carved it out. It wasn't easy. And now you're doing it. So you're in marketing and you're doing things that are leading the way for others.
Jenny 00:18:41 You're voicing content. What what does your day to day look like now as compared to what it did before.
Joseph 00:18:48 Now, compared to back then, it's completely different. Like the two aren't even comparable. To be honest. what I will say is that, you know, I've, I kind of mentioned, you know, career changes at the start because I've kind of gone through a series of, trying to navigate the marketing field and figuring out what it is that I wanted to do in that sense. And so even since getting into marketing, my job, day to day has changed quite dramatically. and so like when I first, first got into marketing, I worked with a very large corporate, did that for a little while until I decided that, I actually wanted to move cities. And so I ended up moving away from that job, and got a job with a tech startup. I did that for a little while. but over the years, like I say, I kind of started focusing on, figuring out what it is I wanted to specialize in.
Joseph 00:19:49 eventually I discovered that this space of personal branding. So I was working at the tech company, and we read a fantastic book on the concept of personal branding called Found a Brand. And basically we decided that what we were going to do is rather than try and market the company, we were going to market the the founders of the company, and sort of use their face to, to, to leverage, you know, the network and, and create growth opportunities. And so we did that. It just took off, we pretty much completely shifted our focus to personal branding. And then, even though it's not a complete, you know, career jump because I'm still in marketing today. it was at that point that I realized that I actually, this is what I really wanted to focus on. And so I spent the last couple of years just really, specializing in that space.
Jenny 00:20:44 Yeah, that makes sense. You're fine tuning it. And because when you first got into it, the experience that you had, you had created on your own.
Jenny 00:20:53 So you're learning, like you said, you're learning this whole new thing again from the very bottom. And sometimes that can be really challenging, and especially coming from a job you had been doing for a really long time. You're really good at. And it just kept putting that carrot in your path of like, you can have this stability. And while there is nothing wrong with that job, everyone needs a good, stylish bathroom with tiles. Like there's nothing wrong with it. But you just knew it wasn't for you. And now you're starting again on the ground floor. In an industry where you're like, this is where I want to be. But now I got to learn and absorb everything. And so for that time period when you were kind of in that growth again and learning from the ground up, are there things that stood out to you about what it's like to settle in as the new person in the industry, because you had all the schooling, but like, now you're in it. And what were some challenges that you faced and how did you kind of overcome those?
Joseph 00:21:50 And I think it's such a massive point to to sort of address because as you say, like I had all the schooling, but I also had the schooling a bit later than some of my peers might have done because I worked in the bathroom sales.
Joseph 00:22:03 And so when I came into the industry, it was like starting from scratch all over again. It was sort of a case of just, you know, hit the ground running and and learn what you can, but then also at the same time, you're sort of you're fighting this conflict of all of my friends outside of work are much further along in their careers, because I've just started fresh in a new career. And so you've got that sort of internal conflict of maybe I should be further along. and sort of questioning yourself all the time, which I think is a really important point to address, by the way. Like, it's okay to embrace that. Like, you can't change the decisions you've made in the past. and so you can only try to improve the future. And I think if anybody ever finds themselves in that position of thinking, oh, I wish I didn't did this sooner, like, you know, you're just going to waste time and work yourself downwards thinking that way. But you have got that conflict of, of, you know, comparing yourself to your friends, but then also at the same time comparing yourself to your colleagues and coworkers who for me, that, you know, I was working alongside people who were younger than me and were my seniors and were, you know, further along in the marketing space than I was.
Joseph 00:23:12 and so that was an entirely new feeling as well, where all of a sudden it felt like I had a lot of catching up to do.
Jenny 00:23:18 Oh, that makes sense. That makes sense. It's never too late to start anything. I feel like there's always those stories out there of someone creating something in their 70s, 80s, like whatever it is, like it's never too late. And speaking of friends and and even throwing in family, you know, Joseph, you made a change from a job that was pretty much handed to you on a silver platter and then went into an industry as a total newbie a little bit later in life. What was your supportive network like? What were people telling you? What were your friends and family? Were they on board and like, you got this? Or were they like, you're crazy? Like, what was that like for you?
Joseph 00:23:54 I'm an extremely lucky person in that my immediate friends and family are very, very supportive people. and if they can understand it, then, there will be 100% on board with it.
Joseph 00:24:09 And if they don't understand it, then they're normally willing to listen, and to, to allow me to explain myself a little bit. And so I'm very, very fortunate in that way. But I also would say that a lot of the people were close to me, and the way that I was raised even is very logical. It was always a case of, this is a great goal. I'm really glad you're pushing for this. But, you know, don't jump too fast too soon and make sure you've got a backup plan in place, which I think is probably one of the reasons. Obviously you've got financial reasons, but thinking that way is also probably one of the reasons. I continue to work full time throughout my studies and, went back into bathroom sales after Covid and stuff like that.
Jenny 00:24:47 That sounds like that really fueled you and kept you feeling supported that you could take this journey. And I know you've given some really good pieces of advice throughout the conversation, but I'm picturing someone listening right now who's thinking of like, oh, I'd love to go into marketing.
Jenny 00:25:04 It is so in-demand right now, like it's so in demand. And I come from a customer experience background and it's very related to marketing. And I feel like I hear so many people like, I want to pivot and do this, I want to do this, but they're sitting at their desks and their or their current job and they're feeling burnt out and they're just like, frustrated. They're like, how do I make this change? How do I not burn myself out? How do I still pay the bills? What is a piece of advice that you could give them right now, Joseph. Like looking or, you know, maybe not looking because we're all in audio only, but talking right to them about this. What piece of advice or motivation can you give to help them on their path right now?
Joseph 00:25:46 The first thing I would say is, is to just allow yourself to try these things. you know, if you've got an RT you want to scratch, just, just, you know, spend a couple hours a week just exploring it because otherwise I promise it will eat away at you.
Joseph 00:26:02 And in five years time and ten years of time, however long it takes. There is no doubt that you'll be sitting there thinking, I wonder what would have happened if I explored this avenue. And so I've always been a big believer that if you particularly with careers, if you are thinking about leaving what you are doing, or if you are feeling that, you know, maybe, perhaps you're in a toxic work environment, or perhaps you are just not happy with your profession. I think if you get to a point within yourself where you're feeling that way consistently every day, then you have to do something about it because chances are you're never really going to change your mind on it. And so I would say first things first, just explore these opportunities, spend a couple hours, a week or whatever it might look like, just just learning what you can about it. And then on a more practical, day to day level, I, you know, I made the mistake of thinking that in order to crack into professional marketing, you had to go back to university, and get a degree and do it the old fashioned way.
Joseph 00:27:07 but for most professions, luckily, today, that's really not the case. obviously you've got, you know, outliers and, you know, doctors and lawyers and what it might be. But for most professions, it's just not the case anymore. which I think is fantastic. And actually the best way to approach these things, I think, would be to first, explore what the role looks like. Do some online research, then to start looking, at job specs for those positions and try to, pull together some sort of, analysis of what people are, what skills people are looking for within those roles. And so once you've explored the industry a little bit, you figured out maybe 3 or 4 of the tangible skills that people are looking for, a bit like we're mentioning earlier, start to build your own experience, whatever that might be. and so, you know, there are some things that it might be a bit harder to build experience in. customer service, for example, isn't the easiest thing in the world to just go and grab experience from.
Joseph 00:28:11 But but perhaps look at some of the, the Other skills that people are looking for and start to think about transferable skills and stuff like that. So. So the first thing I say, explore the area, then move into analysing and looking at what skills are in demand and trying to create your own experience from there. The biggest thing I would say, and the thing that helped me transition throughout my career and develop into more senior roles and stuff like that, is to start building a network. And I know, like it's such generic advice to start building a network. And there's so many, like whenever you say people are like, oh, how am I supposed to do that? Right, right. But I didn't think most of it. Yeah, right. but I really think most of us overcomplicate the idea of building a network, and we also build it up in our heads to be much bigger than it is. Like, for me, when I really started specialising in the personal branding space, I was able to navigate that field quite quickly because I built up a network on LinkedIn.
Joseph 00:29:11 I happen to have 10,000 followers on LinkedIn at the moment, but you don't need that many to build a network. My leverage within the space actually came from knowing 2 or 3 people reasonably well. and those 2 or 3 connections came from reaching out to them and asking if they'd hop on a call for 15 minutes. And if you ask 15, 20 people in an industry, you might get 1 or 2 that say, yes, and it's that simple. And if you've got 1 or 2 connections within the space, you know a little bit about the space and you've built some experience, you're in a pretty good position to start looking for jobs through that.
Jenny 00:29:48 That's a great advice. And what I love about that is it's so real. It's so actionable. Like, I mean, and especially the networking thing, like it's all quality over quantity in most cases because there's, you know, out of all of the 10,000, it was really a couple that led you in the way. But it's like you have this community.
Jenny 00:30:08 It's just people helping people. And like you could slide into someone's DMs and just ask a question and just chat with them for ten minutes. Like it feel I get it because it can feel very weird. And with all the like LinkedIn cold sales stuff going on, like it can be like, oh, I don't want to come off as, you know, a slimy, salesy person, but there are ways to do it where it's very real and you just want to learn. And what I've learned when I'm guessing you have to. Joseph is like, people love to share their stories, and people love to share what they've learned and they want to help. Most people want to help. And you just have to ask.
Joseph 00:30:45 Absolutely, absolutely. I couldn't agree more. But most people, I think particularly with with careers and work related stuff, we, we acquire all of this knowledge and it's something that most of us are quite passionate about. And then our friends and our family don't care. Nobody really wants to speak to us about it.
Joseph 00:31:02 And so when somebody comes along and says, tell me what you do or give me some advice, it's almost, you know, there's a little bit of excitement there like, oh, I can get I can talk about this now.
Jenny 00:31:12 Right? It's like permission. Yes. Yeah. Totally. And I think that's important to remember for the networking piece and for just being realistic about researching it and looking at job descriptions. Not because you want the job, but because what can you pull from it and build out to figure out what you actually do want to do? And with all of that in mind, Joseph, if people want to connect with you, they want you to be in their network. Where do they find you? How do they talk with you? Give me all the list of places you are online because I'm guessing you got a bunch.
Joseph 00:31:46 I mean, to be honest, you could find me pretty much anywhere if you search Joseph Rodd on pretty much any social media platform. I am most active on, LinkedIn and Instagram.
Joseph 00:31:57 and so, just reach out, drop me a DM, say hi. You know, how'd you on the podcast? And if you have any questions about marketing, about personal branding, Running about how to find a job after university. If there's anything at all. I'm always happy to to help.
Jenny 00:32:11 Thank you. Thank you for being here. Thank you for sharing your journey. Your path. It's incredibly inspiring to hear how like, you just took ownership of it. You're like, I'm not waiting around. I'm going to make the experience. I'm going to figure it out, and I'm going to get to the place where I want to be, even if I don't necessarily know where that is just yet, because, like, you're still fine tuning this, and I know I have tons of questions about personal brands, so I'll be reaching out. But anyways, Joseph, thank you so, so much for being here today. I appreciate you so much.
Joseph 00:32:42 Thank you. It's been a pleasure.
Jenny 00:32:44 Thanks for tuning in to this episode of the Career Flipper podcast.
Jenny 00:32:48 To connect with Joseph, check out the links in the show notes. And hey, if you like this episode, please subscribe, rate and leave a review. It helps other career flippers find the show. And let's be real, figuring out this career stuff is so much easier when you know you're not the only one winging it. And if you have your own career flip story to share. Visit the career com to submit it for a future episode. And if you ever want someone to talk about this stuff or just need a speaker for your team or event, I coach and speak on career change too. Just reach out to me at hello at the com. What I love most about doing this podcast is the chance that someone out there might hear these stories and think, okay, maybe, maybe I can also take this first step. It's scary, but it's also where everything begins. It's going to be messy. It's not going to make any sense, but you're doing the dang thing. Keep going, my friend.
Jenny 00:33:48 What's the best that could happen?